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<div>1) The bylaws should make a clear exception that judges should be able to interact with the debaters. (Calling time, asking for evidence after the round, etc.)<br></div>
<div>2) Electronic "jumping" a speech from one computer to another should be clearly allowed under the bylaws.</div>
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<div>3) My true concern is with the issue of internet research during the round. One of the skills I believe we are trying to prepare our debaters for in debate is to anticipate an opponents arguments. If we allow access to internet research within a round, it eliminates a student's need to prepare answers outside the round. They can simply wait for the round to begin and start "googling" recent news articles.</div>
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<div>Kevin Travis</div>
<div>Dunwoody High School<br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Eric Crisp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ericcrisp@walkerschools.org">ericcrisp@walkerschools.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Coming from a school that would be at a disadvantage from this research potential, I still am not sure we should ban it. I'm worried about enforcement. As a teacher, I don't want to try to figure out whether teams are on line with their laptops and if so, with whom they may be interacting. I'm not sure my teams' potential disadvantage is worth the Pandora's box of trying to outlaw this...<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>Eric Crisp<br>Ridgeland HS</font>
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<div class="h5"><br><br>On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Sean Hiland wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">I have of couple of concerns<br><br>1) Allowing students to use the internet during rounds does provide a disadvantage to students w/o computers. It also lends to confusion about when said research would be done. Could it be done after round to justify statements made without evidence? This could be problematic in that it could lead to long delays in finishing rounds as competitors frantically search for evidence they never had. At the last tournament we competed in, students even took a judge back to their teams table in the cafeteria to show him evidence. When is the cutoff for evidence research? This could get out of hand.<br>
<br>2) Am I missing something? Why would the partners need to communicate electronically with each other? texting? How does anyone know whether they're texting each other or a coach, parent, or a team member in another room?<br>
<br>3) As far Jenny's comment about people downloading something they forgot - most debaters come prepared and I have no sympathy for debaters who do not. Consider it a lesson in responsibility. This also comes back to my previous comment. If evidence is produced post-round then your opponent's lose the opportunity to challenge your evidence by requesting to see it in context.<br>
<br>4) This last comment refers to something said previously about to which tournament(s) the bylaws apply. Even if the bylaws are not binding on all tournaments, we need to recognize that they are still looked to as a guiding principles by some tournament directors. My team lost a ruling at the last tournament under the justification that something was not prohibited by the GFCA bylaws.<br>
<br>Sean Hiland<br>St. Pius X<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a>] On Behalf Of Berthiaume, Maggie<br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:05 AM<br>To: Spiegel, Jeremy J; <a href="mailto:thegfca@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [GFCA] The By-Laws<br><br>It seems like that is clearly no - then coaches would be doing work<br>
during the debate. That's why I think it's best to say no internet but<br>yes communicating between the two members of the team, at least at this<br>point.<br><br>Maggie<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a>] On Behalf Of Spiegel,<br>Jeremy J<br>Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:00 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:thegfca@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [GFCA] The By-Laws<br><br>I agree with Jenny, but have one question: What if a coach works on a<br>file during the 1ac and posts it to the teams' server. Is it ok to use<br>it?<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca-bounces@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jenny Heidt<br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:56 AM<br>To: Berthiaume, Maggie; Jeffrey Miller; <a href="mailto:thegfca@lists.gradyspeaks.org" target="_blank">thegfca@lists.gradyspeaks.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [GFCA] The By-Laws<br><br>
I agree with both of Maggie's suggestions but also think that students<br>should be allowed to research in debates. 2 important examples re: why<br>this should be the case:<br><br>1) A few years ago where there was some very surprising aff T<br>
evidence--a search during the debate revealed that it was fabricated.<br><br>2) A politics DA was read that had passed. The aff found one card<br>saying "it passed." The judge did not know either way so that was<br>
critical and prevented what would have been a fairly dumb debate from<br>occurring.<br><br>If a position is so bad that it can be beaten with a card or two found<br>during prep time, why not?<br><br>Also, we have our files on email and a server. If someone forgot to<br>
download something, why couldn't they access it?<br><br>So, I think that the rule should exclude electronic communication<br>between anyone besides the partner but not otherwise limit internet<br>access.<br><br>Jenny<br>
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