[GFCA] The By-Laws

[Eric Crisp]

EDIT: That should have read "as a judge"...

On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Eric Crisp wrote:

> Coming from a school that would be at a disadvantage from this  
> research potential, I still am not sure we should ban it.  I'm  
> worried about enforcement.  As a teacher, I don't want to try to  
> figure out whether teams are on line with their laptops and if so,  
> with whom they may be interacting.  I'm not sure my teams'  
> potential disadvantage is worth the Pandora's box of trying to  
> outlaw this...
>
> Eric Crisp
> Ridgeland HS
>
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Sean Hiland wrote:
>
>> I have of couple of concerns
>>
>> 1) Allowing students to use the internet during rounds does  
>> provide a disadvantage to students w/o computers. It also lends to  
>> confusion about when said research would be done. Could it be done  
>> after round to justify statements made without evidence? This  
>> could be problematic in that it could lead to long delays in  
>> finishing rounds as competitors frantically search for evidence  
>> they never had. At the last tournament we competed in, students  
>> even took a judge back to their teams table in the cafeteria to  
>> show him evidence. When is the cutoff for evidence research? This  
>> could get out of hand.
>>
>> 2) Am I missing something? Why would the partners need to  
>> communicate electronically with each other? texting? How does  
>> anyone know whether they're texting each other or a coach, parent,  
>> or a team member in another room?
>>
>> 3) As far Jenny's comment about people downloading something they  
>> forgot - most debaters come prepared and I have no sympathy for  
>> debaters who do not. Consider it a lesson in responsibility. This  
>> also comes back to my previous comment. If evidence is produced  
>> post-round then your opponent's lose the opportunity to challenge  
>> your evidence by requesting to see it in context.
>>
>> 4) This last comment refers to something said previously about to  
>> which tournament(s) the bylaws apply. Even if the bylaws are not  
>> binding on all tournaments, we need to recognize that they are  
>> still looked to as a guiding principles by some tournament  
>> directors. My team lost a ruling at the last tournament under the  
>> justification that something was not prohibited by the GFCA bylaws.
>>
>> Sean Hiland
>> St. Pius X
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thegfca-bounces at lists.gradyspeaks.org [mailto:thegfca- 
>> bounces at lists.gradyspeaks.org] On Behalf Of Berthiaume, Maggie
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:05 AM
>> To: Spiegel, Jeremy J; thegfca at lists.gradyspeaks.org
>> Subject: Re: [GFCA] The By-Laws
>>
>> It seems like that is clearly no - then coaches would be doing work
>> during the debate.  That's why I think it's best to say no  
>> internet but
>> yes communicating between the two members of the team, at least at  
>> this
>> point.
>>
>> Maggie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thegfca-bounces at lists.gradyspeaks.org
>> [mailto:thegfca-bounces at lists.gradyspeaks.org] On Behalf Of Spiegel,
>> Jeremy J
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:00 AM
>> To: thegfca at lists.gradyspeaks.org
>> Subject: Re: [GFCA] The By-Laws
>>
>> I agree with Jenny, but have one question:  What if a coach works  
>> on a
>> file during the 1ac and posts it to the teams' server.  Is it ok  
>> to use
>> it?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thegfca-bounces at lists.gradyspeaks.org
>> [mailto:thegfca-bounces at lists.gradyspeaks.org] On Behalf Of Jenny  
>> Heidt
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:56 AM
>> To: Berthiaume, Maggie; Jeffrey Miller; thegfca at lists.gradyspeaks.org
>> Subject: Re: [GFCA] The By-Laws
>>
>> I agree with both of Maggie's suggestions but also think that  
>> students
>> should be allowed to research in debates.  2 important examples  
>> re: why
>> this should be the case:
>>
>> 1) A few years ago where there was some very surprising aff T
>> evidence--a search during the debate revealed that it was fabricated.
>>
>> 2) A politics DA was read that had passed.  The aff found one card
>> saying "it passed."  The judge did not know either way so that was
>> critical and prevented what would have been a fairly dumb debate from
>> occurring.
>>
>> If a position is so bad that it can be beaten with a card or two  
>> found
>> during prep time, why not?
>>
>> Also, we have our files on email and a server.  If someone forgot to
>> download something, why couldn't they access it?
>>
>> So, I think that the rule should exclude electronic communication
>> between anyone besides the partner but not otherwise limit internet
>> access.
>>
>> Jenny
>>
>>
>>
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